Showing posts with label John Coltrane. Show all posts
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Out of this World: John Coltrane in Seattle

by Keith Raether

Published in Earshot Jazz, April 1995, Vol. 11, No. 4

Late in the morning on Oct. 1, 1965, drummer Elvin Jones was rummaging through Jan Kurtis' kitchen in Lynnwood, banging on cast iron skillets, tapping on stainless steel pans. Searching for a new sound. Saxophonist John Coltrane sat quietly at the kitchen table, interrupting his inner focus only to smile at Jones or talk about song charts. Saxophonist Pharoah Sanders, pianist McCoy Tyner, bassists Jimmy Garrison and Donald Rafael Garrett -- the rest of Coltrane's band on a West Coast tour that began in San Francisco -- listened with purpose. Seattle saxophonist Joe Brazil completed the circle.

"Coltrane seemed to be thinking about a lot of things," says Kurtis, 30 years after he recorded Coltrane's seminal Live in Seattle double album and the otherworldly Om later released on Impulse Records. "There must have been an enormous amount of music going on inside of him."

Jones, meanwhile, had a cosmos of sound evolving around him. When he wasn't playing pots and pans like a sock cymbal, he was filling soda bottles with water, testing them for timbre. Coltrane had come to Seattle the previous day with his working band, augmented from the usual quartet by Sanders and Garrett, to play a two-night engagement at the Penthouse in Pioneer Square. Kurtis took the call to record the group.

"I was doing a lot of remote recording at the time," he remembers. And Coltrane was doing even more experimenting. In 1965 the saxophonist recorded at a prolific rate, as if he had received a divine calling. Ascension, recorded in June, broke new ground. The musical conception came to Coltrane in a dream, a dream in which he and his group played without reference to chords or chordal sequences. Within the music Coltrane set up dialogues of tonal and atonal sections similar to the parallel octave passages found in African vocal music.

Saxophonist Marion Brown, one of the players on the date, described the session as "wildly exciting." "We did two takes and both had that kind of thing in them that makes people scream," he said. "The people in the studio were screaming." Just as Coltrane and company would scream, literally, on the night they recorded Live in Seattle...

Sun Ship, a quartet album, followed Ascension in August. Between the two recording dates Coltranes' group traveled to the south of France for the Antibes Jazz Festival in Juan-Les-Pins. Coltrane was clearly searching for new sound, sound that would convey the vastness of the universe inside him. "I don't think I'll know what's missing from my playing until I find it, if you understand me," he told a writer for Melody Maker at the time.

Such was Coltrane's state of mind and music when he brought his group to Seattle in late September. He had turned 39 a week before he arrived. He'd thought long and hard about the composition of the band, and now Sanders and Garrett, old friends based in the Bay Area, were with him to intensify both ends of the musical spectrum. He'd thought about time, in the abstract and in the context of his group. Maybe the music needed to be free of meter. Maybe he needed to do away with the harmonic moorings of a piano. He had miles to go before he slept.

Kurtis, whose true musical interests were in Nashville, didn't know Coltrane from Bobby Goldsboro when he got the call to engineer the Penthouse date. But he knew a world about recording and brought the better part of his recording studio, Camelot, to the Pioneer Square club. "I think it was Bob Friede of KRAB-FM who contacted me about the recording -- 30 years is a lot of water under the bridge," he says. "I didn't know anything about Coltrane's music. And I certainly didn't know then how groundbreaking it was."

Kurtis lent his best recording equipment to the cause: an Ampex 350-2 tape recorder, two Ampex six-channel mixers, two Sony condensor mikes for Jones' drums and a large-diaphragm mike for Garrison's bass. "Everybody in the group had at least one mike," he says. "It was a studio setup for the most part. There wasn't a lot of live recording being done like that back then. I wanted to go all out."

On an emerald night in Seattle, Coltrane's group responded in kind. "Evolution" unfolded for 36 minutes, filling the better part of two sides of the original double album. "Body and Soul" and "Afro-Blue," traditional by comparison (and released for the first time on the new GRP reissue of Live in Seattle) were stretched light years beyond their limits. "Cosmos" demonstrated that Sanders was very much a "free" player and a perfect match for Coltrane at the time. "Out of This World," a serene, long-line ballad by Harold Arlen (from the 1945 film), first recorded by Coltrane in 1962, reached so far toward Andromeda that Kurtis didn't recognize it from the opening theme.

Coltrane was anxious to hear the playback of the tape and spent the rest of the night with headphones on. He was so impressed with the technical quality of the recording ("The tape was incredibly clear," says Kurtis) that he asked to come out to Camelot the following day. Kurtis had just finished converting the building next to his Lynnwood house into the Seattle equivalent of Rudy Van Gelder's studio in Englewood Cliffs, N.J. He was more than happy to oblige."

I was in my late 20's at the time, and it was all I could do just to concentrate on getting the mike setups right," he remembers. "Of the band, I remember Elvin most of all. When he found out I was a drummer, he showed me some licks. I could never play them in a thousand years. He also tried to explain what the new music was all about."

Coltrane was pretty quiet all day but very friendly. Everybody in the group was friendly -- and very respectful of the place. There was a lot of work to be done in a short time, of course, and the band was busy trying out things before we started to record."

To prepare for what writer David Wild would later call "the cathartic, acid-etched' music on Om, Kurtis put Jones' drums behind barriers, or "splays," that absorbed his voluminous sound in three inches of insulation. Garrison and Garrett had their own "cubbyholes" for maximum clarity and resonance. Coltrane, Sanders, Tyner and Brazil, who played flute on the date, claimed the rest of the room as their universe.

"It was a remarkable experience just watching them work," says Kurtis. "I was in a kind of Oz. Coltrane didn't say a lot, but he was in control of everything the band was doing. They were so far ahead of the times."

The Om session began around noon with an incantation: "I the Oblation and I the Flame into which it is offered / I am the fire of the world and this world's mother and grandfather / I am Om Om Om Om Om Om! Om!" The music stopped six hours later but didn't end.

Two months after Om was made, Coltrane was at the Village Gate, leading a band that featured percussionist Rashied Ali in addition to Elvin Jones. It was the saxophonist's first experiment with a two-drummer format. On Nov. 23, he recorded Meditations in the company of both Ali and Jones. A few weeks later, Tyner and Jones left the band."

A musician like John shouldn't have to depend on piano all the time," Tyner would say later. "Sometimes the piano, as an orchestral instrument, can get in the way of a soloist, especially a horn player." Especially a horn player with the sound and singular purpose of Coltrane."

There is never any end," Coltrane told music writer Nat Hentoff after the Meditation recording. "There are always new sounds to imagine, new feelings to get at. And always, there is the need to keep purifying these feelings and sounds so that we can really see what we've discovered in its pure state. So that we can see more and more clearly what we are. In that way, we can give to those who listen to the essence, the best of what we are."

For two days in Seattle 30 years ago, Coltrane didn't stop at giving us the best of what he was at the time. He gave us a glimpse of the musical universe to come.

Joe Brazil Interviews McCoy Tyner

Joe Brazil with McCoy Tyner
November 22, 1971

McCoy Tyner: [Plays] That’s what I was saying. Lots of the things we used to play. We didn’t really discuss things. [Laughter] That’s why it’s so hard for me now to talk about it. We didn’t talk about music. We just played. [Laughter].

Joe Brazil: Would he by any chance run down the cycle of what he was doing? Or did he just do it?

MT: Except for Giant Steps. You know. He would say, “I’m playing the cycle of fifths.” After a while he just stopped playing that.

JB: What about some other stuff like Body and Soul?

MT: That was a set… he had written out certain chords, set chords, for that, alternate chords. He fit the cycle there, the cycle of fifths in there, that’s why they got in there.

JB: He kept developing. Like when you heard, what was the tune that was a big hit? Favorite Things. On the original record, and then I heard it in Seattle and you know [laughs] it had developed.

MT: Yeah. I understand. You see that wasn’t… We didn’t… See that’s what I’m talking about. That’s why it’s so hard. I can’t really… I don’t think it’s really important to explain it. Because you can’t. All I know is that my ear developed to a point, playing with him…

JB: Of course. I guess it’s like a reciprocal thing.

MT: Years ago, cats could say I’m breaking down this, breaking down that, playing this and playing that. It’s not like that.

JB: That’s what I was bringing up. I don’t think it could be defined.

MT: It can’t be defined. I don’t know. Maybe we should get that on tape.

JB: Ok. [Laughter. Tape turns off and on]

MT: …Miles and the flat five…Dizzy came out with that type of thing.

JB: Like Woody ‘n’ You?

MT: [plays chords from Woody ‘n’ You] And during that time there was a certain, everybody played a certain type of way.

JB: What if you’re teaching a cat? Like you say your teaching cats in New York. Say if you were teaching a cat that was maybe developed a little bit. What would be your approach of teaching him then?

MT: Well, you see, most of these kids aren’t taught.

JB: Beginners, yeah.

MT: Some of them weren’t but they didn’t know a lot of the fundamental things.

JB: Then it’s a basic thing – scales, see what notes, what finger to use.

MT: The only thing I could really do would be to maybe show them how certain chords can go against another. Something like that. And the scale relationship to the chords. So they wouldn’t have to be limited to playing within the chord, necessarily, but using the chord itself as a pedal to launch off on to something else.

JB: Well maybe we could benefit by something like that. [Laughter]

MT: [plays chords over a G pedal] Like if I play G minor… this is one thing I was doing when I was working with John, is that each note of the scale could be a chord.

JB: Right.

MT: You could use each note of the scale and develop as a chord or a sound. In G minor, for instance, you have [plays] and you’ve got B-flat minor [plays]. B-flat minor could be a complete sound within itself. The G is still there. But you know where you started from. The B-flat minor is within that sound. All the notes of that particular scale is within that particular sound. So you are actually not wrong. You could get a G. [plays] See, it’s still there. C minor. [plays]

JB: It’s like planting that sound and then doing whatever that sound fits here.

MT: Yeah.

JB: You plant that sound and then it remains.

MT: Right. It’s all the way through. It’s like a… it’s something to launch yourself off. You launch yourself off that. See it still gives you the freedom to play within that sound. Because like, there’s a thing, like, if you start off like Jones used to play, boom-chick-boom, he played time, ding-ding-dink-a-ding-dink-a-ding. Nowadays they don’t play like that. When you start a tune off you know where the time is. We were playing off the pulse. Like it sounded like we were playing a lot of things that at the centers. Sounded like we were playing with no time. Well, actually, there wasn’t no ding-ding-ding, we were playing off like a pulse. You don’t walk to the sound of your heartbeat. Your heart says, “boomp, boomp.” You don’t say, “boomp, boomp” trying to keep up with your heartbeat. Your heart is beating at a rhythm and you are walking at another rhythm. It’s the same thing with playing music. Just because you are playing in a key, that doesn’t mean that you are limited to the key itself. There are so many things that are related to that particular key. It’s like I was saying in G minor, you look at a standard tune, the way it resolves, the natural resolution would be maybe to go to C minor. The reason they resolve is because C is part of the key itself. So are other notes.

JB: In other words, one is not more important than the others.

MT: Yeah.

JB: Like tonic is more important, but not necessarily.

MT: Yeah. All over music, they have established a drone or a certain thing. A drone. Like in Africa, the rhythms are the tone, you may start at any particular tone, or any particular key, or drone, then they would take that and everything else would happen on top of that. And you can take it as far as you want to go. As long as you know where you came from.

JB: So, if you were practicing. What would you sit down and practice? I mean, like, scales, or make up a cycle and then try to develop it?

MT: I don’t practice like that anymore.

JB: What would you practice like?

MT: Scales. When I do practice, I practice scales. Theory is good up to a point. After that… I’m saying it’s good to know it, it’s good to know how a brother’s approach to improvising, but up to a certain point, it’s a matter of what you hear and how you can develop it. It’s a matter of emotions. It’s a matter of knowing form. I may be playing in a different key and all of the sudden decide to go, according to my feelings, to a chord that’s maybe related to that key or maybe one that’s not related to that key.

JB: You know, the point I’m getting at is maybe somebody else may be hearing these same things but they don’t have the capabilities of doing it. You might feel like you want to go there, and do something very different, but then you haven’t gotten yourself developed to go there. You know?

MT: Well, that’s the thing.

JB: So how’s the guy going to develop?

MT: If he can hear, he’ll do it. It’s a matter of really playing your instrument well enough so that you can do what you can hear.

JB: That goes back to that other thing.

MT: Yeah. There’s a certain part, an area of music you can’t explain.

Unknown voice: It’s like a transition.

MT: Our music has never been a Western concept of explaining music.

JB: Yeah. Right. Right. [Laughter]

MT: Our music has never been like that – explained. Even in Indian music, they take a raga, they have 700 scales, 700 ragas, one for the morning, one for the evening. Sounds pretty restrictive. But then they take that raga and they work with it. In between the notes and everything like that. And they improvise, like all black peoples of the earth always improvise their music. We never sit down and systemize everything where it came from. That’s why I say it’s moved out of the realm of… see, what’s happening, I think it’s wrong to make a study, I mean when I say wrong, I think for musicians, if you’re trying to approach it from a teaching aspect, that’s different. I think for musicians to take it and study it to the point wherein they say, “This brother broke this chord up here so that’s the way it’s supposed to go. I know it was broke up that way so I’m going to stick with that.” [Laughter]

JB: It’s lazy.

MT: When you reach a certain point, it’s you, it’s the individual, and the individual effort.

JB: Has there been a point in your life where you practiced like 8-10 hours a day?

MT: Unh, unh.

JB: I mean, like, 4-5 hours a day consistently over a couple of years?

MT: No

JB: 4-5 years? You’ve gone beyond that now.

MT: Yeah.

JB: I think for cats to get control of their instrument, they got to go through that certain period of learning the instrument.

MT: That’s the way it is. Learning the instrument. That’s the whole idea. Otherwise you will be restricted to just playing a certain area.

JB: You can’t do something. If you have the idea, you can’t go there.

MT: That’s the whole idea is to learn the instrument well enough to go wherever you can hear. And by playing an instrument every day and practicing, you’ll go all the places, but you’ll get tired. Your facility will evolve to the point where you just, you’re not going to be satisfied with just going right here, playing within 2 octaves. You want to play maybe 2 or 3 octaves or something like that. You want to try some other direction. That’s the reason why I think a man like Bird, I heard that he knew what he was doing but he didn’t know what he was doing. He was playing like that since he was young. Somebody said, “Where did Bird develop?” He was playing like that ever since he was young. So apparently, he heard that. You see? He heard that. So what cats did, they made a study of Bird.

JB: Somebody will come along after him.

MT: Right. What I’m trying to say is that with him it was a spontaneous thing. It’s like, “Well, God, I don’t know how you can figure out what he did.” [Laughter] I’m trying to figure out myself. How I can some kind of way get it across verbally and think it’s almost impossible. It’s almost impossible because music is a language that is hard to… you just can’t communicate everything. Some think it’s like a religious experience. You can’t tell some person, “Man, I felt like this when I was communicating with God.” It’s just something that you have to experience. You can give a person an idea. But then the actual thing is…

JB: But you’ll know when you get there.

MT: Yeah. You’ll know it. I think that’s just the way it is. Yeah. I was thinking about that, Joe. It’s really a different approach, man. I don’t know if it’s different. I just think that… I guess it is different. It’s a supreme power. How can you, ah?

JB: You just got to experience it.

MT: You don’t want a guy to be limited to just what you’ve shown him.

JB: Right.

MT: Just what you’re doing. You want him to have the freedom to express himself. He might know technically what you’re doing. He might know what that chord is. But why you did, why you played that chord…

JB: At that time.

MT: At that time. See what I mean. Or why he decided to maybe play a part of it and mix it up with something else. He can’t explain why he decided to do that. It’s not a theory of when I’m going to hit a bulls-eye, I was resolving from here. [Laughter] It’s a thing where you are more of less functioning on a disparate level.

JB: When you can get yourself up that far.

MT: It’s a different level of awareness.

Unknown voice: Yeah. Like I guess you explained it. I was fooling around with a basketball. You mentioned how those cats can stand back there an make a basket and don’t touch the rim. I don’t think you can explain how he does that. If you could just get out book, damn! [Laughter]

MT: Maybe it’s a level that he developed that’s beyond explanation. That makes him do that. Maybe he’s got a science. That’s what it is. Music is a science. It’s a science, man. Cats out there can play musical scientist in many respects. That’s why I think music has been used in the past, it has been used in many capacities, and it is a form of worship. And also, it has been used to, it’s being used now in hospitals, in the past it has been used for many other things. What we call magic now a days. I think music can be used to stimulate people to do anything.

JB: Yeah. We were talking about Yusef and the black scientists and everything. But I bring up an analogy, sometimes it’s like, when a black musician is playing and he is creating spontaneously, he must be doing some tremendous things with the mind in order to be able to be performing, and thinking, and communicating all at once. When a cat is reading, he is just taking it off the thing. But he’s doing this right on the moment and he’s creating, he’s composing, and playing. That must take a great deal of intelligence in order to be able to do that.

MT: Well that’s what it is. It is an intelligence that is not used voluntarily. He’s not thinking about it. That’s the reason why I think we are natural scientists. I was surprised at electric pop, you know, meaning something as simple as that, a man doesn’t do that right there, anything you can think of, them being scientists, creating the sciences that had a hand in bringing about music. I don’t think any of us who studied on it… but I think a lot of it is natural. I think we are endowed with more knowledge than we actually realize. Like they say, “You can’t stop it. Genius. It comes out.” But we don’t believe it. [Laughter] You see, that’s the thing. A man may have knowledge but if he’s constantly told, “You don’t have none” then, you know, that’s something you’ve got to believe.

Unknown voice: One of you here told me black people were scared of jazz.

MT: Well, it’s a matter of proportion because it’s true. I think people are afraid of truth any flavor, any kind of truth, if they are not used to it, being exposed to it. If they want to live a false life. If it’s not true you’re only guessing. We need better ways that will dominate.

Unknown voice: That’s weird.

MT: I think we’re going through [unintelligible] and I think that sometimes something that may not be alien to you but because you have been misinformed or miseducated will turn you into saying, “That’s strange. I don’t dig that.” Some people who are ready for it will immediately react and say, “Let’s run this up.” A lot of the time I think we don’t realize how living in a society where we have been programmed on just about every angle. I know you all realize, but you go down to the music, playing certain music that people in a certain thing are thinking. There is a study, I think, I don’t know what [unintelligible] There is a study where different tunes affect certain parts of the body. Certain tones affect certain points of the body. There’s a science there. That’s the reason why people respond to certain things because it has like a physical, not only it’s physical but it’s sort of a spiritual and physical effect on them at the same time, certain notes or certain ways of playing.

JB: There’s a book I got called The Mysticism of Sound.

MT: Yeah. I haven’t had a chance to read it yet. You can’t delve into anything without getting into the spiritual aspects. Without spirit, the body wouldn’t live. That’s the whole thing. That’s what the key is. That’s the part of Him that’s in us that keeps us alive. When that goes, we just go away. Back to dust. [Laughter]

JB: We got to do that TV show early, 7:30 in the morning.
[tape ends]

[audio tape of TV show]
McCoy plays Search for Peace

Interview

McCoy plays Peresina (partial)

Coltrane in Detroit

I'm trying to track down when John Coltrane and Joe Brazil might have met. According to The John Coltrane Reference, Coltrane worked in Detroit on the dates below. Joe Brazil was born in Detroit and owned a house there from 1951 to 1962. Paul Chambers lived with Brazil in the early 50's. Coltrane may have learned about Brazil from Chambers while they both played in the Miles Davis Quintet. Coltrane was recorded from Brazil's basement in September of 1958. There were 9 times before that when Coltrane could have been at Brazil's house and 5 times after. There are tapes of Coltrane from Brazil's house from December, 1959, November 24, 1960, and February 1961. In an interview with Paul de Barros, Brazil says Coltrane stayed with him whenever Coltrane was in town as a leader.
  • Nov 5-11, 1948 w/ Howard McGee
  • Mar 27, 1949 w/ Eddie Vinson
  • Jan 13-19, 1950 w/ Dizzy Gillespie
  • May 15, 1950 w/ Dizzy Gillespie
  • Feb 16-25, 1951 w/ Dizzy Gillespie
  • Nov 2, 1952 w/ Johnny Hodges
  • Dec 8-20, 1952 w/ Johnny Hodges
  • May 3-9, 1954 w/ Johnny Hodges
  • Oct 5-9, 1955 w/ Miles Davis (right after marrying Juanita Austin)
  • Mar 12, 1956 w/ Miles Davis
  • Jul 9, 1956 w/ Miles Davis
  • Jul 24-29 w/ Miles Davis
  • Apr 15-20, 1958 w/ Miles Davis
  • Sep 23-28, 1958 w/ Miles Davis
  • Dec 11-20, 1959 w/ Miles Davis
  • Aug 23-28, 1960 as leader
  • Nov 22-27, 1960 as leader
  • Feb 21-26, 1961 as leader
  • Aug 1-6, 1961 as leader
  • Jan 16-21, 1961 as leader
  • Jul 31-Aug 5, 1962 as leader

Coltrane burns Brazil's piano

Frances Brazil claims the burn on the low "A" key is from Coltrane's cigarette when he stayed at their house in 1965. This is the same piano that was in Brazil's Detroit basement.